Wednesday, May 21, 2008

C-Bets on Draw-Heavy Flops

Let's say you open AT from CO and get a call from the BB.  BB is decent and effective stacks are around 100BB.  Flop comes T98 two-tone.  BB checks.

Hero....

Results of a hand from a couple posts ago

Brian wanted the results of the hand where I 4-bet AJs a little deep and got flatted.  Villain had AA there and held.  I wasn't surprised by his holding, and I still had enough pot equity to make the play, so that was fine.  Thought it was an interesting hand....thanks for the comments on it.

7 comments:

Mr Fickle said...

I would probably take a passive line here and check behind. Don't want to play a big pot and will re-evalaute depending on turn card and action.

RakebackFAQ said...

I would check back any 7,j,q is calling here , if the turn is a blank i would bet.

Bazclef said...
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Bazclef said...

You have TPTK, clear bet for value (not a cbet). Checking here would be a big leak imo...

EDITED: with less harshness :D

mongoose said...

thought about this at work tonight, so a bit late in responding . . .

i'm in the bet camp. and i have my eyes open to a real possibility of a check/raise. and if that's the next step in the discussion, cool.

but initially, i'm not ready to check behind, watch a King come off on the turn, then have him donk into me.

so, i bet.

Mr Fickle said...

Don't get me wrong I think value betting is fine too but I disagree that checking behind is a 'big leak' against a solid player.

Against a fish I would value bet every time but this is a tricky board which hits a solid players pre flop calling range pretty hard. They will be check raising with a lot of hands we are way behind (for protection) as well as strong draws.

I assume you guys are folding to a check raise?

Overall I think that against against a solid player it is pretty marginal either way.

Just my 2c ;-)

mongoose said...

that's probably the rub of the post. where does pot control turn into "scared inactivity", or, where does "autopoker" turn into a leak?

it probably hinges on the definition of 'BB is decent'.

if the fellow will play draws like sets, it's a bothersome hand, and i can more easily see merits of checking behind. but, if he's going to c/r only for protection, it's a painless fold.